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Post by Hockeyfan99 on May 29, 2007 14:56:53 GMT -3
Yes adding Morrison & Gervais was a big trade but is was also an exception not the type of trade that is normally made.
And the example you used was making a big trade for a 2 yr player. So my question back is can you name a few 19 yr olds proven players who are likely to be back next season or even some 18 yr old who might be had for Malouin & a 1st. I did a quick check of players with 20 - 40 goals and didn't see any.
As discussed a few months ago I liked you idea about Caccotti who was just shy of 30 goals this season in Drummondville. A comparable deal could be the one which a 2nd was used to acquire Duscheneau.
Even though he only had a so-so season last year this season Pare should be one of the top 20's and again if he is even available he would cost more than a 2nd. Possible in the range of what Roy cost last season which was an 18 yr old and a 2nd given Roy value was deminished by his attitude problems. To me that is getting a little to high for a 1 yr player given that we need to think about next season, VdO wasn't.
But again trading a draft pick for a 20 is much different than suggesting trading a quality young defenseman and a mid-first round pick. Also I wouldn't consider that a big trade just like how I didn't consider adding Stewart/Doucet/Guilbault Big Trades at the time.
Again I don't see the sense in making big trades WHICH SUBSTANTIALLY SUBTRACT FROM THE FUTURE for a 1 yr player if the team isn't a contender which I don't consider the Rocket to be as of now maybe that will change which is why I am suggesting reassessing at Christmas.
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Post by SwallowMyBitterPill on May 29, 2007 15:14:33 GMT -3
I look at the big picture and it confuses the bejesus out of me.... we had 3 exceptional overage players last year to go with a maturing nucleaus of mostly 18 year olds and two first rounders who both made the team.. most teams would try and add to that and make a semi run last year and a real run this year.. instead we depleted at Christmas slightly but also added maybe the biggest name available at the deadline (with the exception of Bourdon of course) in Morrison... that said to me we're gonna go for it this year with that maturing nucleus now 19 and two prize 20's in Walker-Morrison... but instead we deal a 19 year old for a depth third pairing 20 y/o dman.. that makes no sense to me
Just when is the "go for it" year? When does this team move FORWARD instead of stand still or fall slightly backward? If it wasn't going to be this year I see no sense in acquiring Morrison.. that was my point
As for your point of significantly depleting the future.. we have 3 17 year old dmen projected to be on this years team... I don't see losing one of them (Malouin) a significant future loss.. esepcially given we could replace him with 18 y/o Owens fairly easily
Here's my list of 19's that I would consider two year Q players that would fit in nicely with a model of go for it this year and/or next.. I have no idea who would be available or what they would cost but surely a 1st rounder and a 17 y/o would get some interest
Chris Culligan 30-38-68 Benjamin Breault 40-40-80 Felix Petit 29-64-93 Cedric Lalonde McNicholl 16-30-46 (only played 47 games) Charles-Antoine Messier 27-21-48 Nick Layton 21-19-40 Stefan Chaput 17-29-46 Matthew Pistilli 22-29-51 Ryan Sparling 18-35-53 J.P. Chabot 24-26-50 Maxime Tanguay 24-36-60 Francois Gauthier 16-24-40 (but averaged almost PPG with SJ)
of that list only Breault is NHL drafted and not a probable Q overager.. but he's also not signed I don't think so could be a 20 year old in the Q
then there is some 18 year olds that fit the bill (again unsure if they'd be available either)
Olivier Fortier 28-36-64 Jeff DesJardins 26-29-55 J.S. Allard 12-38-50 P.A. Vandall 15-16-31
and the double whammy whom i'd love to acquire .. 18 and Euro with one year Q experience already
Julius Sinkovic 16-34-50
There ya go.. there's your list.. rip it apart if ya like.. but dammit I want some commitment to building a winner here.. we deserve it
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Post by Krang7 on May 29, 2007 15:24:28 GMT -3
Again I don't see the sense in making big trades WHICH SUBSTANTIALLY SUBTRACT FROM THE FUTURE for a 1 yr player if the team isn't a contender which I don't consider the Rocket to be as of now maybe that will change which is why I am suggesting reassessing at Christmas. It's easy to say reassess at Christmas, but players are inherently more expensive at Christmas. Teams will know by then that you're really intent on contending, so they know that they can ask for more. If there is a fair deal on the table that includes Malouin and our 1st, there is NO reason to hesitate. You can't always be thinking about the long term.
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Post by Hockeyfan99 on May 29, 2007 19:11:49 GMT -3
Just gotta say that was a great post Bitterpill and I'm very impressed that you stepped up and threw some names out as I challenged you to.
Some guys like Culligan, Breault, Desjardins, were players that I was thinking of but couldn't see them being available, certainly not for what the Rocket could afford to offer.
Overall I still have a somewhat different opinion but certainly respect yours especially after your last post.
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Post by David Aebischer on May 30, 2007 8:40:12 GMT -3
I look at the big picture and it confuses the bejesus out of me.... we had 3 exceptional overage players last year to go with a maturing nucleaus of mostly 18 year olds and two first rounders who both made the team.. most teams would try and add to that and make a semi run last year and a real run this year.. instead we depleted at Christmas slightly but also added maybe the biggest name available at the deadline (with the exception of Bourdon of course) in Morrison... that said to me we're gonna go for it this year with that maturing nucleus now 19 and two prize 20's in Walker-Morrison... but instead we deal a 19 year old for a depth third pairing 20 y/o dman.. that makes no sense to me Just when is the "go for it" year? When does this team move FORWARD instead of stand still or fall slightly backward? If it wasn't going to be this year I see no sense in acquiring Morrison.. that was my point As for your point of significantly depleting the future.. we have 3 17 year old dmen projected to be on this years team... I don't see losing one of them (Malouin) a significant future loss.. esepcially given we could replace him with 18 y/o Owens fairly easily Here's my list of 19's that I would consider two year Q players that would fit in nicely with a model of go for it this year and/or next.. I have no idea who would be available or what they would cost but surely a 1st rounder and a 17 y/o would get some interest Chris Culligan 30-38-68 Benjamin Breault 40-40-80 Felix Petit 29-64-93 Cedric Lalonde McNicholl 16-30-46 (only played 47 games) Charles-Antoine Messier 27-21-48 Nick Layton 21-19-40 Stefan Chaput 17-29-46 Matthew Pistilli 22-29-51 Ryan Sparling 18-35-53 J.P. Chabot 24-26-50 Maxime Tanguay 24-36-60 Francois Gauthier 16-24-40 (but averaged almost PPG with SJ) of that list only Breault is NHL drafted and not a probable Q overager.. but he's also not signed I don't think so could be a 20 year old in the Q then there is some 18 year olds that fit the bill (again unsure if they'd be available either) Olivier Fortier 28-36-64 Jeff DesJardins 26-29-55 J.S. Allard 12-38-50 P.A. Vandall 15-16-31 and the double whammy whom i'd love to acquire .. 18 and Euro with one year Q experience already Julius Sinkovic 16-34-50 There ya go.. there's your list.. rip it apart if ya like.. but dammit I want some commitment to building a winner here.. we deserve it Good post...you can probably get Sparling for a late 2nd early 3rd rounder...he is not a favorite of Beaulieu for some reason. Rioux is also being shopped...but they are looking for skill up front. Chaput is also NHL drafted and Pistilli Layton and Tanguay could be in a few weeks as they are late birthday 18 year olds.
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Post by SwallowMyBitterPill on May 30, 2007 9:17:52 GMT -3
yes but they'd still likely have 2 years of Q service ahead of them much as Bryce Swan will likely still be in the Q at 20 this year
anyways like I said no clue who is avilable and at what cost.. i'd just like to feel confident this team is building towards trying to go further than the 2nd round of the playoffs
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Post by David Aebischer on May 30, 2007 10:07:58 GMT -3
yes but they'd still likely have 2 years of Q service ahead of them much as Bryce Swan will likely still be in the Q at 20 this year anyways like I said no clue who is avilable and at what cost.. i'd just like to feel confident this team is building towards trying to go further than the 2nd round of the playoffs Sparling would probably be a good fit. Though they would probably prefer to move him out of the division. Rioux could have been an alternative to Swit(trade for a 20 forward) but that ship has probably sailed(Lessard Gervais Swit Southorn Clow Malouin Owens).
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Post by Score on May 31, 2007 5:57:44 GMT -3
Nerves play big part in draft Jeff MacAulay and Chris Doyle are former No. 1 QMJHL draft picks The Guardian
With the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League draft just days away, Islander Jeff MacAulay remembers nervously waiting as a 15-year-old in 2001 for his name to be posted on the draft board.
“Your nerves are basically just shot. You don’t know really what you’re getting yourself into at all,” said MacAulay, a Souris Line native, in an interview this week. “You’re going to be playing a lot hockey, meeting a lot of new people and going to a lot of different cities. You’re entering a new life and a new experience.”
This year’s QMJHL draft goes Saturday in Drummondville, Que.
The P.E.I. Rocket have the 11th pick and the league’s Central Scouting list published earlier this month puts Jonathan Bonneau, a six-foot, 173-pound forward from the Magog Cantonniers in Quebec midget AAA in the team’s sights.
P.E.I.’s target at last year’s draft in Charlottetown was hometown prospect Chris Doyle. The 16-year-old centre went fourth overall and Doyle’s still a bit in awe.
“It’s a once in a lifetime thing. To hear your name called it feels pretty good.”
Doyle missed 20 games with a broken jaw, but returned and posted a strong 18-goal, 36-point regular season, finishing as a stalwart on the second line.
His advice to QMJHL neophytes? Reckon on heavy expectations.
“(There’s a lot of) weight on their shoulders and they know they have to work harder and get in the best shape for the oncoming year,” said Doyle.
Bonneau’s new life may start on the weekend, but MacAulay’s fledgling career meant a ticket to Quebec City as a first rounder (12th overall), a sometimes demanding task for the English-only defenceman.
“It was difficult going to Quebec City. A lot of people there couldn’t speak a word of English. (But) it was a learning experience. I picked up some French out of it.”
MacAulay played 28 games earning four points for the Remparts before being traded to the Montreal Rocket halfway through the season.
It proved a better fit and gave MacAulay perspective.
“The language barrier is definitely a problem, but it’s kind of good in one way. You’re going to learn another language,” said MacAulay, adding on-ice communication, however, was rarely baffling. “They could get by and they understood where I was coming from.”
MacAulay moved with the Rocket to P.E.I. in 2003, but the Rocket traded him to the Halifax Mooseheads in 2004-05.
He spent a season there before Halifax shipped him to Rouyn-Noranda in 2005. It’s near the Ontario border and is as far west as a player can go in the QMJHL.
Now MacAulay plays for the UPEI Panthers, finishing up a freshman season with eight points and minus five plus minus ratio in 13 games.
And his best advice to draftees?
“Getting drafted is only the first step. Once you’re drafted, you’ve got to put in a lot of time and a lot of effort.”
Something Doyle intends to do himself as he readies (with strength coach and former Rocket assistant coach Dave Flanagan) for the new season.
“I’ll have to get quicker, (improve) my foot speed and my agility (and) come in strong and be in the best shape that I can.”
The Rocket opens the 2007-08 season against Halifax on Friday, Sept. 14, at the Civic Centre.
Game time is 7 p.m.
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Post by shea on Jun 1, 2007 12:28:34 GMT -3
A player PEI might take in the first round is Brandon Street, he should be still available at the 11th pick.
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Post by Score on Jun 1, 2007 15:33:22 GMT -3
A player PEI might take in the first round is Brandon Street, he should be still available at the 11th pick. Street has skill, and carried his team all year. According to some, he can get lazy at times.......but who knows. I really doubt they look at him, but thats just my opinion. I WANT Bourque!! ;D
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Post by 1barney22 on Jun 1, 2007 18:14:59 GMT -3
BIG NEWS!! PEI has traded up from 11 to 5th pick in the first round. Interesting turn of events!
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Post by Score on Jun 1, 2007 18:26:19 GMT -3
BIG NEWS!! PEI has traded up from 11 to 5th pick in the first round. Interesting turn of events! I herd they were looking to get a better pick. Source though?..even though im sure you can't release that. If true what did they give up....and who do they WANT? Interesting!!!
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Post by 1barney22 on Jun 1, 2007 18:31:22 GMT -3
My source is pretty reliable......not going to say 100%...but I am confident he is telling the truth. He got word out of the Halifax camp about this. He did not no all particulars though. I am wondering if Boutin is headed to Hali or if this was a condition linked to the Lund trade...perhaps based on his performance or something. But thats TOTALLY just a guess. The one thing I am confident of is that my source is pretty reliable, so I think its a done deal
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Post by Score on Jun 1, 2007 18:32:25 GMT -3
My source is pretty reliable......not going to say 100%...but I am confident he is telling the truth. He got word out of the Halifax camp about this. He did not no all particulars though. I am wondering if Boutin is headed to Hali or if this was a condition linked to the Lund trade...perhaps based on his performance or something. But thats TOTALLY just a guess. The one thing I am confident of is that my source is pretty reliable, so I think its a done deal If so, wonder who the Rocket are after at #5?
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Post by 1barney22 on Jun 1, 2007 18:35:15 GMT -3
I am wondering too. I spoke to a source in the Rocket camp awhile back and they told me that they already knew who they were taking......it was already agreed upon......and that it s a forward. Thats all I know
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