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Post by CountryBoy on Jun 2, 2007 18:23:00 GMT -3
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Post by Score on Jun 2, 2007 18:26:26 GMT -3
Nice read.........good find.
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Post by Kevin30 on Jun 3, 2007 10:30:18 GMT -3
Let's hope that MacLean gets his chance and is DEVELOPED properly!! To me the big key is to develop the player so he improves. Some of our #1 picks haven't done so well here, Boutin and Lund as examples. I hope that MacLean comes in here and gets the chance he deserves to show his stuff.
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Post by Score on Jun 3, 2007 12:01:09 GMT -3
Let's hope that MacLean gets his chance and is DEVELOPED properly!! To me the big key is to develop the player so he improves. Some of our #1 picks haven't done so well here, Boutin and Lund as examples. I hope that MacLean comes in here and gets the chance he deserves to show his stuff. Boutin did not get developed properly? All prospects do not turn out.....thats the way it goes. Ask the Sens about Daigle. Boutin did not turn out because his skating never improved. He was chosen back when the big, Dman was a hot thing....and the clutch/grab was allowed. The game changed, but Boots couldn't fast enough. Lund is tricky. Perhaps part of the problem was the Rocket, but definitly not all of it. Lund just didn't turn out............and as i mentioned above, that happens from time to time with prospects.
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Post by wingman on Jun 3, 2007 18:24:14 GMT -3
Boutin did not get developed properly? All prospects do not turn out.....thats the way it goes. Ask the Sens about Daigle. Boutin did not turn out because his skating never improved. He was chosen back when the big, Dman was a hot thing....and the clutch/grab was allowed. The game changed, but Boots couldn't fast enough. Lund is tricky. Perhaps part of the problem was the Rocket, but definitly not all of it. Lund just didn't turn out............and as i mentioned above, that happens from time to time with prospects. Yes those things do happen from time to time and not all prospects turn out, but having your first round draft picks in consecutive years not pan out hurts big time, especially when one of them was a top 5 pick. If the Rocket had picked at least one or even 2 good, productive players with those draft choices, the Rocket might not have holes to fill on the top 2 lines for the upcoming season. When the rules changed they certainly were not in Boutin's favor, but the Rocket knew when they picked him that he wasn't a good skater to begin with. No matter who's to blame for these 2 players not working out, losing those picks is hurting the Rocket right now. I know picks don't turn out from time to time, even the first round picks, but to have it happen 2 years in a row shows that the team dropped the ball somewhere or that someone wasn't doing their homework.
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Post by CountryBoy on Jun 4, 2007 0:31:31 GMT -3
When talking about Stephen Lund and his development, it's worth looking at the entire first round and look at what happened with those drafted along with him.
#1 - Alex Grant (SJ) - has not developed like a first overall pick should. He's certainly not looking like he'll be an impact player even this year.
#2 - Mathieu Perreault (Bat) - was a good pick, but let's remember he was bypassed the pervious year and was a year ahead in his development when picked at #2
#3 Colin Escott (Gat) - had a world of problems with Groulx, quit the Q and vowed never to play there again, before resurfacing as a callup in St. John's.
#4 Jean-Simon Allard (SJS) - Had a good season in St. John's last year after a quiet rookie year. He should be an impact player in St. John's this year.
#5 Stephen Lund (PEI) - did not develop here, and was moved to Halifax where he's playing a similar role he did in PEI.
#6 Scott Brannon (CB) - similar to Allard in terms of production. Also should be a quality Q player this year, though the Eagles saw fit to move him to Moncton in the Bourdon deal.
#7 Keven Guerette-Charland (Vic) - did not develop in Victoriaville and subsequently was moved to Saint John. Not a lot of offensive production yet.
#8 Nicolas Sigouin (Dru) - was traded from Drummondville to Bathurst after his rookie year.
#9 Kevin Marshall (Lew) - developed nicely. He'll be one of the best d men in the Q this year.
#10 Maxim Ouimet (BAC) - plays quiet game in Baie-Comeau.
#11 Angelo Esposito (Que) - big star on the Remparts, though we know why he slid this far in the draft.
#12 Patrick Cusack (Lew) - did not make Lewiston in his draft year. Played about half the games for the Maineiacs this season.
#13 Marc-Antoine Desnoyers (RN) - solid Q defenceman was moved to Bathurst in a trade this season.
#14 Nicola Riopel (Mon) - did not play in Moncton as a 16 year old (saved for after Memorial Cup run). He played well as a 17 year old and will be a strong netminder in the Q this season.
#15 Brad Tesink (Gat) - Wasn't in Gatineau's plans and was shipped to Bathurst this season.
#16 Gabriel Carle (Chi) - Played for 2 teams in his rookie season (Chicoutimi and Val-d'Or). Was moved to Bathurst to start this season, but they sent him home with an attitude problem midway through the season.
#17 Ben McAskill (Hfx) - Is buried behind many others on Halifax's blueline. He probably should see more ice time this season.
#18 Maxime Macenauer (Rim) - Was moved from Rimouski after his rookie season and only played 14 games in RN this season.
So, in context with his draft peers, Lund is following the pattern of many players who didn't develop from this draft that was though to be quite strong. A quick count of first rounders from that year indicate that half (9) have already been traded (one of which, Carle, has been moved a couple of times. Really, only Perreault, Esposito and Marshall have developed into above average players at this point in their careers. Grant, Allard, and Ripel are heading that way with their respective teams. Plus, MacAskill should be a solid performer on the Mooseheads blueline this year.
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Post by wingman on Jun 4, 2007 13:26:16 GMT -3
Nothing was keeping the Rocket from selecting players like Marshall, Desnoyers, Sigouin, Veilleux and MacMillan. At the time of that draft, if I remember correctly, people were surprised that PEI would take Lund with that high of a pick because they didn't believe that Lund was worth a top 5 pick.
Maybe it wasn't as good of a draft as compared to other drafts, but for that 1st round pick all we have to show for it right now is a 3rd round draft choice from 2008, we got Lomanno but he was only here for 3 or 4 months. No matter if that player pans out or not, to basically walk away from that draft with only a 3rd round pick and a non-impact rental player is not a good return on a top 5 pick.
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Post by Hockeyfan99 on Jun 4, 2007 13:41:50 GMT -3
Actually Lund was considered a solid Top 5 pick and among that top group which was supposed to be a step above the rest. In fact I believe some scouts actually argued Lund was just as good a defensive prospect as Grant who went first overall. www.lhjmq.qc.ca/old_lhjmq/operations/Selection_2005/Liste_CSR_1erMAI2005.htmlAnd in retrospect it is too bad the Rocket didn't get Marshall instead but I bet at the time if given the opportunity almost every team would have taken Lund over Marshall. When Lund first came to PEI I loved his style and potential and it is really unfortunate he didn't develop up to that potential but that happends sometimes and in this case I don't consider it the Rocket's fault as unfortunately for Lund things didn't get any better in Halifax. As well the Rocket desperately wanted to draft MacMillan but like other teams he told them he wasn't interested. Which is the only reason why he wasn't a first or early second round pick. But contrary to Anthony I don't believe this was a NCAA bluff as Smith and MacAdam largely based on their friendship with Logan's father were able to convince him to come to Halifax with some incentives (eg. rumoured no-trade agreement). In fact I read somewhere about the famous call from Smith to Logan's father on the draft floor just before their pick to make sure he would come. No unfortunately as much as the Rocket wanted MacMillan he wasn't an option. In retrospect the 2005 draft contained some missed opportunities but I think that over the past few drafts our scouting staff has actually done a pretty good job and am really looking forward to seeing the 2007 players at this year's training camp.
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Post by Doppelganger on Jun 4, 2007 14:02:09 GMT -3
No unfortunately as much as the Rocket wanted MacMillan he wasn't an option. I don't think that's 100% true.
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Post by flipper on Jun 4, 2007 22:16:30 GMT -3
No unfortunately as much as the Rocket wanted MacMillan he wasn't an option. I don't think that's 100% true. At the time it was not an option, for an early pick.
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Post by Hockeyfan99 on Jun 6, 2007 9:07:18 GMT -3
Thought I would bring up the following quote from Lalaprise which was posted in August when it was confirmed that MacMillan was going to be reporting to the Moose Camp.
CSR had MacMillan ranked low but ISS and HPO had him 1st rd...but thats a moot point...he didnt want to play Q...Al MacAdam knows his dad and apparently they called MacMillan's dad AT THE DRAFT...as the 34th pick was approaching and got a semi-commitment from Logan.
This combined with Flippers statement supports what I had heard which was that MacMillan wasn't an option for the Rocket with their 2nd round pick.
In the end it doesn't matter anyway as the past is the past. Personally I am a big MacMillan fan so I am disappointed that he doesn't play for the Rocket but I honestly am happy for his success and hope that it continues (just not against us).
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Post by wingman on Jun 6, 2007 20:48:46 GMT -3
No matter what kind of spin is being put on it, it still doesn't change the fact that all the Rocket have to show for 2 first rounders from those years were three draft choices, none of them higher than a 3rd rounder, and a 20yr old that was only here for a couple of months.
If looking at the projected 2 top lines at forward ( Walker, Morrison, Latal, Doyle, and if some are considering Locke) only Doyle was drafted out of the Entry Draft with Latal being selected from the European draft. This upcoming season on defense there will be Southorn and an outside chance Gragnani, there may also be Malouin and/or Clow, but with Malouin's inexperience at this level and Clow not played in the league yet, it is hard to guage at this point how much those 2 will be contributing.
Savard has done well in drafting depth players, but as far as drafting top line forwards in the last few drafts I don't think he has done as well.
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Post by SwallowMyBitterPill on Jun 7, 2007 10:16:24 GMT -3
The Halifax 3rd rounder we got for Lund will almost be a 4th as Hali will be very strong this year.. makes it an even worse trade really
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