crocop
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Post by crocop on May 1, 2007 15:31:11 GMT -3
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Post by Krang7 on May 1, 2007 15:44:51 GMT -3
CALDER MEMORIAL TROPHY: Evgeni Malkin, Pittsburgh Penguins FRANK J. SELKE TROPHY: Who cares? HART MEMORIAL TROPHY: Sidney Crosby, Pittsburgh Penguins JACK ADAMS AWARD: Alain Vigneault, PEI Rocket... JAMES NORRIS MEMORIAL TROPHY: Nicklas Lidstrom, Detroit Red Wings LADY BYNG MEMORIAL TROPHY: Joe Sakic, Colorado Avalanche LESTER B. PEARSON AWARD: Sidney Crosby, Pittsburgh Penguins VEZINA TROPHY: Roberto Luongo, Vancouver Canucks
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Post by wingman on May 1, 2007 22:21:07 GMT -3
CALDER MEMORIAL TROPHY: Evgeni Malkin, Pittsburgh Penguins FRANK J. SELKE TROPHY: Jay Pandolfo, New Jersey Devils HART MEMORIAL TROPHY: Sidney Crosby, Pittsburgh Penguins (even though I would like to see Brodeur win it)
JACK ADAMS AWARD: Michel Therrien, Pittsburgh Penguins JAMES NORRIS MEMORIAL TROPHY: Nicklas Lidstrom, Detroit Red Wings LADY BYNG MEMORIAL TROPHY: Joe Sakic, Colorado Avalanche LESTER B. PEARSON AWARD: Sidney Crosby, Pittsburgh Penguins VEZINA TROPHY: Martin Brodeur, New Jersey Devils
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Post by Hockeyfan99 on May 8, 2007 14:33:51 GMT -3
Hart (Luongo) IMO the MVP of the league should be Luongo who was the most important player to his team and had the most impact on the league. Although I expect Crosby will take both. Also I would have rathered see Lecavalier get considered instead of Brodeur.
Pearson (Crosby) Is supposed to be different than the Hart going to the most outstanding player in the game and that was Crosby hands down.
Calder (Staal) Personally Staal impressed me the most especially because of his age and lower expectations, also he didn't deflat down the stretch like Malkin did. However, both were tremendous and in the first half it was hands down Malkin who will probably win it.
Selke (Pahlsson) Great checking line forward although he is a little too one-dimensional shut down for my liking.
Adams (Vigneault) Not being bias I just think that Vigneault did the most with the least. Terrien could also be a good pick as he worked with a lot of youth although I give Vigneault more credit because he had less talent especially considering the underachieving years by Nasland & Morrison.
Norris (Lidstrom) What is that 4 out of the last 5 which is ridiculous. Honestly I didn't see Pronger play as much this season but based on the games I saw especially in the playoffs and combined with what some commentators are saying had Pronger not missed 16 gms he probably should win it. But all 3 are great choices.
Byng (St. Louis) Sakic is the sexy pick based on respect and reputation but I think St. Louis will get it considering he deserved an honourable mention consideration for the Hart.
Vezina (Luongo) Anyone know why this award has 4 nominees instead or 3? Regardless I think Luongo deserves it hands down. I also agree with a comment that I heard on TSN that Kiprusoff isn't as deserving as some others like Miller.
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crocop
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Post by crocop on May 8, 2007 15:56:54 GMT -3
There was a tie in the voting for the nominees. Thats why there are 4 players in the running for the Vezina.
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Post by SwallowMyBitterPill on May 8, 2007 16:04:21 GMT -3
Hart: Luongo.. carried a rotten team into the playoffs
Adams: Ruff.. managed a team full of yung hungry stars into a 1st place overall finish and kept them hungry all season.. Vigneault had only to decide which 4 games to rest Luongo for his coaching duties
Pearson: Crosby for sure
Vezina: Will go to Brodeur but should go to Luongo in a close race over Lundqvist
Norris: Lidstrom easily
Selke: Pahlsson
Byng: Sakic but should actually go to Jay Pandolfo who despite being a shutdown checker has taken something like 12 minor penalties over two years .. ridiculous
Calder: will go to Malkin but should probably go to Stastny to be honest.. he was most consistent of the 3... for the second half.. Staal shouldnt even be nominated.. Kopitar or Vlasic were far more deserving
one other comment.. re: HF99 how can you suggest Lecavalier should have been nominated for the Hart over Brodeur? Brodeur had arguably his best reg season and led New Jersey again to a division title.. Lecavalier was fantastic but he didnt lead Tampa anywhere and arguably St Louis was almost as valuable to the limietd TB success .. nobody in Jersey was even close to as valuable as Brodeur was this year
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Post by hockeydog on May 8, 2007 16:41:16 GMT -3
brodeur had the most wins, best goals against average, and best save %. i also believe he led league in shutouts tho i may be mistaking, hands down he was the best goalie in the league, once again. everyone just wants to jump on luongo's band wagon., he had a great year, but brodeur was better, no question. the stats speak for themselves.
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Post by Hockeyfan99 on May 9, 2007 8:27:58 GMT -3
one other comment.. re: HF99 how can you suggest Lecavalier should have been nominated for the Hart over Brodeur? Brodeur had arguably his best reg season and led New Jersey again to a division title.. Lecavalier was fantastic but he didnt lead Tampa anywhere and arguably St Louis was almost as valuable to the limietd TB success .. nobody in Jersey was even close to as valuable as Brodeur was this year As I said I personally would rather see Lecavalier nominated over Brodeur I never said that he should have been. Lecavalier was 1st in goals, 3rd in points, played all 82 gms and I recall from the Hockey News that he was 2nd or 3nd in ice time among forwards. TB and St. Louis wouldn't be nearly as good without him which is why I think there is a strong case to be made for him getting nominated. Not knocking Brodeur just my opinion. As for Hockeydog's comment Brodeur was actually 3rd in GAA and Save Percentage among Goalies who played more than 40 gms. Finally Bitterpill I am not sure how you can suggest that Luongo is the MVP of the league but in the same post say that he won't get the Vezina. Kind of hard to be the league's MVP without being the League's best goalie.
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Post by Krang7 on May 9, 2007 8:46:28 GMT -3
Finally Score I am not sure how you can suggest that Luongo is the MVP of the league but in the same post say that he won't get the Vezina. Kind of hard to be the league's MVP without being the League's best goalie. You know what, as much as it doesn't really make sense I kind of agree with BitterPill. Brodeur had the best numbers of the two in most categories so that to me indicates he's deserving of the nod for best goaltender. There is no questioning who of the two is the most valuable to the team. Put Dan Cloutier in nets for the 'Nucks this season and they finish in Columbus territory.
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Post by SwallowMyBitterPill on May 9, 2007 8:50:20 GMT -3
thanks turtle boy
that's my thought process too..
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Post by Hockeyfan99 on May 9, 2007 9:23:34 GMT -3
Finally Score I am not sure how you can suggest that Luongo is the MVP of the league but in the same post say that he won't get the Vezina. Kind of hard to be the league's MVP without being the League's best goalie. You know what, as much as it doesn't really make sense I kind of agree with BitterPill. Brodeur had the best numbers of the two in most categories so that to me indicates he's deserving of the nod for best goaltender. There is no questioning who of the two is the most valuable to the team. Put Dan Cloutier in nets for the 'Nucks this season and they finish in Columbus territory. The Hart is supposed to be for League MVP not team MVP. And I personally don't see how you can be considered the League MVP if you aren't considered to have been the best player in your own category. And you don't think that Brodeur was equally important to NJ? Personally I think that Luongo had the tougher job and put in the better performance (just my opinion) and that Brodeur's slightly better numbers were the result of playing behind a better team. However if you are trying to argue that Brodeur was the better goaltender this season then I don't think that you can also argue that Luongo deserves the MVP over Brodeur.
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Post by Krang7 on May 9, 2007 9:27:41 GMT -3
You know what, as much as it doesn't really make sense I kind of agree with BitterPill. Brodeur had the best numbers of the two in most categories so that to me indicates he's deserving of the nod for best goaltender. There is no questioning who of the two is the most valuable to the team. Put Dan Cloutier in nets for the 'Nucks this season and they finish in Columbus territory. The Hart is supposed to be for League MVP not team MVP. And I personally don't see how you can be considered the League MVP if you aren't considered to have been the best player in your own category. And you don't think that Brodeur was equally important to NJ? Personally I think that Luongo had the tougher job and put in the better performance (just my opinion). However if you are trying to argue that Brodeur was the better goaltender this season then I don't think that you can also argue that Luongo deserves the MVP over Brodeur. All the teams' nominees for the Hart are their most valuable players, so just to have a chance at the Hart you have to be the most valuable player to your team. From that they vote to get the League MVP. I think that Luongo was the best player in his category, but his numbers weren't as good as Brodeur's so I think Brodeur gets the nod. Luongo was more valuable this season then Brodeur though, no question.
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Post by Hockeyfan99 on May 9, 2007 9:30:05 GMT -3
Vezina Trophy
The Vezina Trophy is an annual award given to the goalkeeper adjudged to be the best at this position as voted by the general managers of all NHL clubs.
The Vezina isn't supposed to be just about numbers. And again I don't think you can be considered the NHL's MVP if you aren't considered to be the best goalie in the NHL.
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Post by Hockeyfan99 on May 9, 2007 9:36:23 GMT -3
Also of note going back to the 70's the Hart has gone to a goalie only 3 times.
2002 - Theodore 1998 - Hasek 1997 - Hasek
And all 3 times they also won the Vezina.
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Post by Krang7 on May 9, 2007 9:37:16 GMT -3
Honestly I think the point is moot because I think Crosby will win the Hart and my vote goes to Luongo for the Vezina. All I'm saying is that it's not out of the realm of possibility that Luongo could win the Hart and Brodeur could win the Vezina. They are voted on by two different groups of people that may have a different view of things overall.
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