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Post by SwallowMyBitterPill on May 23, 2007 15:56:27 GMT -3
Swit is like Lomanno
more medicority in an overage position
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Post by Kevin30 on May 24, 2007 7:12:48 GMT -3
I'm happy for Joey to be getting the chance to play in front of family and friends. I met his family and they are great. I'm sure they are excited to be able to watch Joey at C200. I would like to see this Swit guy have more of an impact on the team then Lommano had. He was basically invisible on the ice.
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Post by 1barney22 on May 24, 2007 21:47:09 GMT -3
Where did Swit sit on the depth chart for D in Cape Breton this year? Is he really only mediocre?
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Post by Score on May 25, 2007 5:42:42 GMT -3
Rocket deals Haddad to Cape BretonSource says P.E.I. club gets 20-year-old defenceman Jason Swit in return^^ ^^ The Guardian P.E.I. Rocket forward Joey Haddad has been traded to the Cape Breton Screaming Eagles for 20-year-old defenceman Jason Swit, a source close to the Rocket confirmed Thursday. Haddad, a 19-year-old Sydney, N.S., native, returns home for his third Quebec Major Junior Hockey League season. P.E.I. drafted the six-foot, two-inch, 190-pound right winger in the fourth round (59th overall) in 2005 and he tallied 36 points in 117 regular season games with the Rocket. The six-foot, two-inch, 200-pound Swit joins the Rocket after two solid seasons on the Eagles blueline, going plus-eight and racking up just 96 penalty minutes in 126 games. Swit, a Missassauga, Ont. native, should steady a Rocket defence with the likely departures of Pascal Boutin, 19, and Marc-Andre Gragnani, 20. Speculation has Boutin being traded before the draft while Gragnani, a Buffalo Sabres prospect, is expected to sign an entry-level contract with the NHL club this summer. The young Rocket D-crew includes 17-year-olds Jordon Southorn, Danick Malouin and Freetown native Allan Clow, a fifth-round pick last year who has decided to play major junior hockey in the fall instead of returning to his Aurora, Ont., prep school. Experience sits on the shoulders of Swit and 19-year-olds Pierre-Luc Lessard, a fourth-round pick of the Ottawa Senators in 2006, and Benoit Gervais. Haddad’s trade opens the Rocket’s options in the QMJHL draft (it holds the 11th pick overall) on June 2 in Drummondville, Que., and the CHL import draft (33rd overall) later in June. With the Rocket likely picking forwards in both drafts, Haddad if he remained, would have faced a crowded forward lineup when training camp opens in mid-August. The deal cannot be made official until the first trading period opens on June 1. ****** Haddad-Swit facts ‰ Joey Haddad in two seasons with P.E.I. - Regular season: 117 games, 36 points (12 goals, 24 assists), 151 penalty minutes, -21 plus-minus. Playoffs: 6 games, no scoring. ‰ Jason Swit in two seasons with Cape Breton - Regular season: 126 games, 50 points (12 goals, 38 assists), 96 penalty minutes, +8. Playoffs: 21 games, 2 assists, 28 penalty minutes, +5.
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Post by Wallee on May 25, 2007 7:20:12 GMT -3
good trade imo. we needed some shoreing up on the blueline and joey just didnt develop. great start to making this team a top contender up from last years average team. lets hope we get a good euro and make one or two more moves, we could be a force to reckon with this year.
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Post by Hockeyfan99 on May 25, 2007 8:20:33 GMT -3
Where did Swit sit on the depth chart for D in Cape Breton this year? Is he really only mediocre? Last season as a 19 yr old Swit started out as CB's 3rd defenseman behind Sawyer and Bartulis but Barberio's great play had Swit drop to their 4th. Then obviously at Christmas the additions of Bourdon & Prokopetz dropped Swit down to the third pairing and Swit likely didn't see that much ice time in the playoffs. My opinion of Swit is that he is a solid 4th defensemen, not quite what I hoped we would be adding but certainly acceptable as a 3rd 20 especially with our young defense. And I agree with BitterPill that the impact that Swit will likely have on our team is similar to Lomanno's last season which is to add depth not necessarily be a go-to guy like Guilbault was. IMO Swit is a much better skater and a more rounded defenseman than Lomanno was but will likely provide less offense than Lomanno's 21 pts in 34 gms. I'm guessing that Swit will likely finish more in the range of 30 pts but with steady defensive play. And personally I like Swit's game a lot better than Lomanno's who I wasn't a fan of. As I said I see this as a depth addition as opposed to an impact addition and at Christmas if the Rocket look like potential contenders upgrades could always be made.
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Post by SwallowMyBitterPill on May 25, 2007 9:48:50 GMT -3
sorry wallee can't agree with you here
this trade is not terrible.. and it might work out very well for Joey personally.. but it certainly doesn't "shore" up anything or make us a better team than we were last year.. if we are truly contending a better overage option than Swit had to be added.. add a depth 19 year old dman to shore up the blueline.. leave your options open.. lots of good 20 year old forwards will be available to provide more scoring (which we really need).. this move right now reaks of more mediocrity from this franchise
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Post by David Aebischer on May 25, 2007 10:05:11 GMT -3
To me that's a "stand on the fence" trade from a team that thinks it might contend but is not ready to commit to it. They probably want to keep Swit until midseason then upgrade if they think they can make a run.
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Post by Wallee on May 25, 2007 12:18:25 GMT -3
i know what u mean woodsie, i guess my thoughts were i think we improved moving joey. and i do realize there will be some 20 year old around, but at what cost will u have to pay to get them. i am hoping switt will be able to be a second line dman and play solid for us. we all know what defense problems we had last year and i think it will improve us. i would say he will be like a lomano which is not bad. it is always hard to get any dependable dmen in this league. fingers crossed he will help us. i do appreciate your views though.
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Post by Score on May 26, 2007 9:09:22 GMT -3
To me that's a "stand on the fence" trade from a team that thinks it might contend but is not ready to commit to it. They probably want to keep Swit until midseason then upgrade if they think they can make a run. That's a good point as well. Send Haddad to CB, a guy who's not really in their plans, for a chance at getting a good PP guy to start the season. as you said, we may see the Rocket look to upgrade on our 20yr old spot mid season. However, I didn't dig deep, but when I looked over the available 20yr old Dman for this upcoming season, I really didn't see a whole lot available that would be an upgrade over Swit. Some of the available 20yr Dman won't be returning, and the others seemed "thin"......however, I like M-A Dorion. Would there be a chance that at mid season you may see the Rocket go after a 20yr old FW and find a replacement for Swit.....ala a 19 yr old Dman? Some 20yr old FW's that I would love to see the Rocket go after would be: Jordan Clendenning ---Awesome player Marc-Andre Cote---Good player on a stacked team in VD Alex Picard-Hooper---I think you'll see him to be traded draft day however. Colby Pridham---Had a solid year last season, but unsure if Hali would part with him. Also, Lewy has a little 20yr old jam up front with the likes of: Stefano Giliati--57pts Erc Castonguay--64pts Chris Tutalo--46pts Marc-Andre Daneau--36pts All four are solid players, one or more will be available.
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Post by SwallowMyBitterPill on May 27, 2007 10:49:07 GMT -3
I'm not sure what 20 year old dmen were/are available but I am sure there are some who would fit in better with the Rocket's needs than Jason Swit. How is this guy gonna help the PP? Did he even play PP in CB? I know he didn't much this year.. perhaps some in 05-06.. but with guys like Sawyer, Bartulis, Bourdon and McIlveen (played alot on the point for CB) I doubt he has much experience running a PP unit.
I agree that it's ok to see how the team looks mid-season and then maybe upgrade but the cost will be higher then than it is now... I just don't see why Serge wouldn't use one of his draft picks to pick up some extra scoring help at the draft as he has in the past (Stewart) or a solid dman (Guilbault) not a guy who was probably not even going to be invited to camp by CB this fall.
as for your list of 20 year old forwards.. cross Giliati, Castonguay and Pridham off.. no chance any of those guys are moved... I still would have liked to add somebody along the lines of Caciotti personally.. oh well we'll see what happens next weekend and then this trade may look even worse compared to what other clubs might have in store
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Post by Score on May 27, 2007 11:04:11 GMT -3
From what I found, here are the 20yr old Dman around.
Marc-Andre Dorion D JP Paquet(Pit)D Mathew Menard D
Mathieu Labrie D
Beau Prokopetz D Oskars Bartulis(Phi)(Euro) D Luc Bourdon(Van) D
Bryan Wilson D Sebastien Bernier D
Loikets D Dufresne D
Marc-Andre Crete D Michal Korenko (Euro) D Chad Denny (Atl) D
Nick Emanuele D
Andrew Andricopoulos D Pierre Bergeron D Philippe Poirier D Joey Ryan (LA) D
Francois Bolduc D
Guillaume Lepine D Mathieu Carle(Mtl) D
Louis-Etienne LeBlanc D Samuel Richard D Cedrick Archambault D Kris Letang (Pit) D
Maxime Noreau D
Not 100% on that list, but I think it's fairly accurate.
Some players on the list will not be in the league next season (pro) , and others will be back but likely are unavailable.
Not a whole lot, and unlike last year there really aren't many options for quality 20 yr old dmen this season.
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Post by wingman on May 27, 2007 11:35:20 GMT -3
IMO it doesn't make sense to wait until mid-season to see if the team will make a run and then upgrade. Why not acquire a good 20 year old at the start of the season and then if it looks like they won't make a run, then trade him for a good younger player at that time. The available 20 year old players list is going to be even shorter once the season goes on, it's not going to get longer or have new names on it. Some of those players will be not be in the league and others will be firmly entrenched with new teams that it is going to cost more to acquire them. One reason why Savard was able to acquire Guilbault and Doucet as over-agers last summer was because he was on the ball and got them early. If he had waited until mid-season, chances are those 2 players would not have been available.
Perhaps instead of concentrating on using the 20 yr old spot on a defenseman, why not use it on another forward where there seem to be a better crop of 20 yr old forwards instead of defensemen. I think that the Rocket do need another defenseman, but no reason why they can't acquire a 19 yr old instead that is an upgrade on Boutin and Swit.
Just my opinion, why not use Haddad(or had used), Boutin, draft picks and even Locke and/or Lachaine in some form of package to acquire some good 19 yr olds instead of acquiring players like Swit who are not an upgrade to what is already on the Rocket roster.
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Post by Score on May 27, 2007 12:21:01 GMT -3
Just my opinion, why not use Haddad(or had used), Boutin, draft picks and even Locke and/or Lachaine in some form of package to acquire some good 19 yr olds instead of acquiring players like Swit who are not an upgrade to what is already on the Rocket roster. Which is what I said above. Aquire a 18/19 yr old Dman that could do the job that Swit will do, and search out a 1st/2nd line 20yr old FW.. As you mentioned, the 20yr old FW list is better then the 20yr old Dman list..
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Post by Score on Jun 3, 2007 15:28:32 GMT -3
Suchy available.
"The Mooseheads already have two Europeans in Czech star Jakub Voracek and hard-hitting blueliner Jiri Suchy. Suchy recently changed agents from Tim Cranston to Miroslav Michalek and his future is now up in the air.
"We don't have an agreement with him to come back next year and we'll have to look into it and talk about it," Patenaude said. "It's unfortunate (that Suchy switched agents). Tim did a remarkable job."
The Mooseheads cleaned up at the import draft last year, landing Voracek, the QMJHL's rookie of the year. Another impact talent could be on the way, though Patenaude said he won't use the pick on a goaltender.
"There could be a very incredible player available with that pick so we'll see," Patenaude said. "We have a few options at forward and defence that we're looking at."
I know this will not happen, but I think it would make the Rocket a better club........fast.
Trade for Suchy. Get rid of Swit. Bring in a 20yr old FW who can score.
Suchy is a solid defenceman and one of the hardest hitters in the league....we could use a Dman like him.
Walker-Morrison-Latal 20yr-Doyle-Locke Cliche-Lachaine-MacLean Paynter-Snowie?-McKinley Main? Street?
Southorn-Lessard Suchy-Gervais Clow-Malouin Owens Main?
By going after Suchy, we will be able to get another top 20yr old forward while at the same time, improving our D.
Win/Win............no?
Thoughts?
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