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Post by Krang7 on May 24, 2007 19:55:55 GMT -3
i have sene clow play alot. and yes, he can certtainly skate. as far as making good offensive decisions, i hardly agree, he panics, and i think that will hurt him in the q. but the biggest difference, between clow, and southorn, is, clow is soft, and that is a trait that is hard to get rid of. The biggest difference between your posts and good ones are a million commas.
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Post by hockeydog on May 24, 2007 20:10:59 GMT -3
nope, i just dont agree with everyone. and clow only played 1 year in ontario, and did not play there before he was drafted. he was ranked that high solely because of his skating ability, as many are, who can skate like him. good skaters are a dime a dozen. oh, by the way, alot of those so called scouts, had boutin rated in the first round, sooo spare me with the talk about these scouts. i know a few scouts for the q, and they are hardly qualified. it is laughable actually, to see who scouts for this league sometimes.
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Post by Krang7 on May 24, 2007 20:17:47 GMT -3
nope, i just dont agree with everyone. and clow only played 1 year in ontario, and did not play there before he was drafted. he was ranked that high solely because of his skating ability, as many are, who can skate like him. good skaters are a dime a dozen. oh, by the way, alot of those so called scouts, had boutin rated in the first round, sooo spare me with the talk about these scouts. i know a few scouts for the q, and they are hardly qualified. it is laughable actually, to see who scouts for this league sometimes. There is no way anyone can take, posts, like, this, seriously,,,,,,
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Post by Score on May 24, 2007 20:17:53 GMT -3
nope, i just dont agree with everyone. and clow only played 1 year in ontario, and did not play there before he was drafted. he was ranked that high solely because of his skating ability, as many are, who can skate like him. good skaters are a dime a dozen. oh, by the way, alot of those so called scouts, had boutin rated in the first round, sooo spare me with the talk about these scouts. i know a few scouts for the q, and they are hardly qualified. it is laughable actually, to see who scouts for this league sometimes. Seeing as you said, "good skaters are a dime a dozen", why was HE porjected to go in the 1st rd of the Q draft, while plenty other Dman were not? Clow is a very talented player. Plays well in all 3 zones and not only is he a great skater, but he is great at making that all important 1st pass out of the zone.....which this team had some trouble with last season. He can play the PK as well.........and of course the PP. Kid is only 17 and you can bet that he'll get stronger. Why some try to knock a kid down before even seeing him play a Q game is beyond me..........wait until he shows what he's got first.
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Post by hockeydog on May 24, 2007 20:31:05 GMT -3
i am not knocking him at all. just stating the facts. but of course, you know more then i do, so i bow to you. answer me this! WHY WAS BOUTIN RATED SO HIGH? ? and as for you krang, you make me laugh. you seriously do think you no more then most. tell me, when was last time you saw clow play?? if ever??? ive never seen you at a game besides a rocket game, anywhere. i hope clow makes it actually because he is a nice kid. i am just not scared to point out all his skills and his shortcomings.
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Post by Krang7 on May 24, 2007 20:33:38 GMT -3
i am not knocking him at all. just stating the facts. but of course, you know more then i do, so i bow to you. answer me this! WHY WAS BOUTIN RATED SO HIGH? ? and as for you krang, you make me laugh. you seriously do think you no more then most. tell me, when was last time you saw clow play?? if ever??? ive never seen you at a game besides a rocket game, anywhere. i hope clow makes it actually because he is a nice kid. i am just not scared to point out all his skills and his shortcomings. I've never said that I know more then anyone. All I'm saying is that you use too damn many commas.
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Post by hockeydog on May 24, 2007 20:38:02 GMT -3
good comeback.
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Post by Krang7 on May 24, 2007 20:42:07 GMT -3
Honestly have no problem with your opinion, just the way you express it. It's hard to understand.
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Post by 1barney22 on May 24, 2007 21:16:08 GMT -3
Geez guys, i did not mean to start a word brawl. I just think that people have him pegged either as the next saviour or a bust. I honestly believe he will develop into a great hockey player. He is still physically a long way from where he is going to be....which may explain why some think he is soft. He played Major Midget here at about 140 pounds, and was still the number 1 D on the Thunder...but we really could not have expected him to be a bruiser. He has to prve himself in the Q...I agree 100%....until he does these words mean nothing, but I do disagree that he panics with the puck, and makes bad decisions. I have never ever seen that from him. Anyway..we can agree to disagree, but I think we are all hoping for a keeper here. Cheers
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Post by Hockeyfan99 on May 25, 2007 8:06:40 GMT -3
i am not knocking him at all. just stating the facts. but of course, you know more then i do, so i bow to you. answer me this! WHY WAS BOUTIN RATED SO HIGH? ? and as for you krang, you make me laugh. you seriously do think you no more then most. tell me, when was last time you saw clow play?? if ever??? ive never seen you at a game besides a rocket game, anywhere. i hope clow makes it actually because he is a nice kid. i am just not scared to point out all his skills and his shortcomings. But comparing Boutin and Clow is comparing Applies to Oranges as the fact that they both play defense is about all they have in common. In 2004 Boutin was rated 13th overall (5th highest defenseman) because of his stats. Boutin was listed as 6'1 - 211, he was big, strong, had a booming shot and must have absolutley dominated Midget kids (Of note 3 of the 4 defensemen ranked higher were also over 200 lbs). I also thought Boutin was a pretty good passer and not bad positionally. IMO there were 2 things that held Boutin back. First I think not joining the team in his 16 yr old season slowed his development and secondly obviously his skating which is huge with the new rules. Personally I think that a lot of people have been too hard on Boutin. I think he improved last season and wasn't too bad for us and this season with continued development will probably be a pretty solid 4th/5th defenseman and there is nothing wrong with that. The problem (through no fault of Boutin's) is that with a first round pick you hope to get a Top 2 defenseman which is why he is considered a disappointment. Had Boutin rightfully be drafted in the 3rd or 4th round I think most people would be happy with what he can contribute. Personally I would have rathered keep Boutin as our 4th/5th guy instead of trading for a 20 yr old defenseman but obviously "for other reasons" it is best for both the Rocket and Boutin that a change is made. Now as for Clow who was ranked 14th overall last season (5th highest defenseman). Clow was listed at 6'00 - 154 (almost 60 lbs lighter than Boutin) and of note only 1 of the top 4 ranked defensemen were listed at over 200 lbs showing a clear shift in priorities. And almost the exact opposite from Boutin, Clow's strengths are considered to be his skating, vision, smarts and that he plays well in both ends which are all aspects which are considered most important with the new rules. Of course unlike Boutin, Clow's weakness is obviously his size and strength but he has had a full year to build up a little and he can continue to build up. But the most important thing is that Clow is considered to have all the tools to allow for the potential development into a top defenseman in the future. Unfortunately Boutin's below average skating has and will always hold him back. As I said 2 very different defensemen. Having said all of this, the one thing I don't understand is why some people think that there is this expectation from fans for Clow to be our next Gragnani and anchor our defense at 17 which makes them feel like they need to tear Clow down a notch. IMO (and I think most other fans) I am very excited that Clow will be joining the team this season but not because I think he will make an immediate impact. No I am excited about Clow's addition because my expectation is that Clow will develop into a Top 4 defenseman. But for this season the pressure isn't on Clow it should be on our 3 experienced defensemen (Lessard, Gervais & Swit) and also on Southorn to continue to show that he is one of the best 1990's in the Q. No for this season I have the same expectations for Clow that I have for Malouin. Which is for them to play a depth role on our team and focus on their development as both are young defensemen with tremendous potential. So instead of focussing on just Clow or just Southorn or just Malouin lets be very happy that right now the Rocket have 3 17 yr olds with Top 4 potential. And these 3 young defensemen all with tremendous potential could be the core of our defense over the next 3 years which is a great thing.
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Post by SwallowMyBitterPill on May 25, 2007 9:43:21 GMT -3
If Boutin had a bit nastier edge to his game he'd be fine.. and I agree I would rather have kept him as a 19 year old with experience to be a 4-5 guy then take on an average overager yet again
as for Clow I've never seen him play so I won't comment at all but I am excited to see what he might be able to contribute
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